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		<title>By: Fabrice Grinda</title>
		<link>http://www.fabricegrinda.com/entrepreneurship/in-praise-of-investment-bankers/comment-page-1/#comment-7786</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabrice Grinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way the reasoning is the same. It&#039;s best for the bankers to be playing hardball rather than the buyer directly to avoid creating an acrimonious relationship with the seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way the reasoning is the same. It&#8217;s best for the bankers to be playing hardball rather than the buyer directly to avoid creating an acrimonious relationship with the seller.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabrice,

This is a great post.  You focus on investment bankers&#039; value to the seller, which makes sense given that your target audience is entrepreneurs, who are usually the sellers in an acquisition.  However sometimes entrepreneurs are also buyers, and buyers often hire bankers as well.  What do you see as the value of investment bankers to the buyer?

Thanks,

Jordan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabrice,</p>
<p>This is a great post.  You focus on investment bankers&#8217; value to the seller, which makes sense given that your target audience is entrepreneurs, who are usually the sellers in an acquisition.  However sometimes entrepreneurs are also buyers, and buyers often hire bankers as well.  What do you see as the value of investment bankers to the buyer?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jordan</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice Grinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabrice Grinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the angel level your company&#039;s valuation is all potential so the valuation you end up getting is based on market size, your track record, expected future fund raises, etc. I usually set a $1 million pre-money valuation for my new startups to let a few friends to invest. That said to avoid too much dillution I usually invest alongside them - which also shows that I believe in the project. 

Most of the first monies raised go to hiring engineers and building the product with a little spent on rent, etc. Once the product was built we did limited marketing until we could prove we could make the economics work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the angel level your company&#8217;s valuation is all potential so the valuation you end up getting is based on market size, your track record, expected future fund raises, etc. I usually set a $1 million pre-money valuation for my new startups to let a few friends to invest. That said to avoid too much dillution I usually invest alongside them &#8211; which also shows that I believe in the project. </p>
<p>Most of the first monies raised go to hiring engineers and building the product with a little spent on rent, etc. Once the product was built we did limited marketing until we could prove we could make the economics work.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabrice,

  Another question for you. You say in the begining, trying to get VC funding will most likely get you a valuation in the sub to 1 mill range (that is if you get any funding at all). Question is, if you raise angel funding in the begining, what kind of valuation should you give your company. I mean I am sure most angels if they are investing betwen 10-50k in a company would shy away if you have a valuation over 1 mill as that will give them a very small share and a much higher risk. What did you do with Zingy when you first received the 1.5 mill in funding from angels ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabrice,</p>
<p>  Another question for you. You say in the begining, trying to get VC funding will most likely get you a valuation in the sub to 1 mill range (that is if you get any funding at all). Question is, if you raise angel funding in the begining, what kind of valuation should you give your company. I mean I am sure most angels if they are investing betwen 10-50k in a company would shy away if you have a valuation over 1 mill as that will give them a very small share and a much higher risk. What did you do with Zingy when you first received the 1.5 mill in funding from angels ?</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice Grinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabrice Grinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving away a valuable product for free does generate a fair amount of word of mouth. However, in order to initiate the word of mouth you need a user base. For Zingy, we spent $300,000 in online advertising to prime the pump and then let word of mouth do the rest. 

Note that we always set the expectation that we were eventually going to charge in order to attract the highest quality users possible - those that might convert to paying. When we started charging we lost 95% of the users, but were left with 50,000 paying customers - which cost us a lot less to acquire than if we had tried to acquire by charging from the get go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving away a valuable product for free does generate a fair amount of word of mouth. However, in order to initiate the word of mouth you need a user base. For Zingy, we spent $300,000 in online advertising to prime the pump and then let word of mouth do the rest. </p>
<p>Note that we always set the expectation that we were eventually going to charge in order to attract the highest quality users possible &#8211; those that might convert to paying. When we started charging we lost 95% of the users, but were left with 50,000 paying customers &#8211; which cost us a lot less to acquire than if we had tried to acquire by charging from the get go.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.fabricegrinda.com/entrepreneurship/in-praise-of-investment-bankers/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabrice,

   In your online interview, you talked about first reaching the 1,000,000 subscriber milestone by giving away free ringtones. These days with the &quot;social web&quot;, that number is very impressive and bodes very well for a companies valuation if they are able to get that many subs. I wanted to ask you what your methods were in reaching the 1 mill subscriber milestone ? Did you spend money on advertising or was it mainly word of mouth ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabrice,</p>
<p>   In your online interview, you talked about first reaching the 1,000,000 subscriber milestone by giving away free ringtones. These days with the &#8220;social web&#8221;, that number is very impressive and bodes very well for a companies valuation if they are able to get that many subs. I wanted to ask you what your methods were in reaching the 1 mill subscriber milestone ? Did you spend money on advertising or was it mainly word of mouth ?</p>
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